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		<title>By: The Yoga Debate: An Existentially Challenged Desi Chimes In &#124; Omsai Estates</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Yoga Debate: An Existentially Challenged Desi Chimes In &#124; Omsai Estates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s a swing in popular opinion. These practices go from a gift that a spiritual, magical people have given modern Westerners to awaken the shaman/Shiva/kung-fu ninja assassin monk that secretly lurks in everyone&#8217;s soul, to a reckless trend that only gullible hippies attempt. (See also: sweat lodges, meditation) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s a swing in popular opinion. These practices go from a gift that a spiritual, magical people have given modern Westerners to awaken the shaman/Shiva/kung-fu ninja assassin monk that secretly lurks in everyone&#8217;s soul, to a reckless trend that only gullible hippies attempt. (See also: sweat lodges, meditation) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ashween</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashween</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the example you have taken is of a person suffering from depression. and have meditated in order to kill the pain. meaning he would have a slightly different mind set. Its more like us doing acid or even milder psychedelics while been sad or depressed. i have also experienced and seen, continuous trying of avoiding pain while using your own technique has lead to been more depressed and sometimes might just break down. so i think it would be better to use the enlightenment technique while been happy rather than trying to avoid pain with those techniques. Its all in the mind ya..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the example you have taken is of a person suffering from depression. and have meditated in order to kill the pain. meaning he would have a slightly different mind set. Its more like us doing acid or even milder psychedelics while been sad or depressed. i have also experienced and seen, continuous trying of avoiding pain while using your own technique has lead to been more depressed and sometimes might just break down. so i think it would be better to use the enlightenment technique while been happy rather than trying to avoid pain with those techniques. Its all in the mind ya..</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to share my own experience with meditation practice.

At first, when I went on meditation retreats, I would experience tremendous feelings of rapture, delight and euphoria.

After a few retreats, I started to practice meditation at home and study buddhist texts. I had finally found meaning and purpose in my life.

But then things took a very negative turn. I started to experience intense manic/depressive modes that were triggered by my meditation practice. I had never had any serious mental illness prior to practicing meditation. I am in my 40s.

Over the last few years I have had to be hospitalized on several occasions for psychotic episodes during my manic phases. These manic episodes were then followed by bipolar depression where I became suicidally depressed for months at a time.

Somehow the states of deep concentration I entered altered my brain chemistry.

I currently live in Thailand. I am under the treatment of a Thai psychiatrist here.

He has communicated to me the fact that over his years of practice he has treated many Thai patients including monks and nuns who have suffered hallucinations and other psychotic episodes as a result of intensive meditation practice.

Unfortunately, in the West, there is no discussion regarding the dangers of meditation practice.

While I do believe that mindfulness practice (dry insight) can benefit many people I am wary of recommending intensive concentration practice to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to share my own experience with meditation practice.</p>
<p>At first, when I went on meditation retreats, I would experience tremendous feelings of rapture, delight and euphoria.</p>
<p>After a few retreats, I started to practice meditation at home and study buddhist texts. I had finally found meaning and purpose in my life.</p>
<p>But then things took a very negative turn. I started to experience intense manic/depressive modes that were triggered by my meditation practice. I had never had any serious mental illness prior to practicing meditation. I am in my 40s.</p>
<p>Over the last few years I have had to be hospitalized on several occasions for psychotic episodes during my manic phases. These manic episodes were then followed by bipolar depression where I became suicidally depressed for months at a time.</p>
<p>Somehow the states of deep concentration I entered altered my brain chemistry.</p>
<p>I currently live in Thailand. I am under the treatment of a Thai psychiatrist here.</p>
<p>He has communicated to me the fact that over his years of practice he has treated many Thai patients including monks and nuns who have suffered hallucinations and other psychotic episodes as a result of intensive meditation practice.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, in the West, there is no discussion regarding the dangers of meditation practice.</p>
<p>While I do believe that mindfulness practice (dry insight) can benefit many people I am wary of recommending intensive concentration practice to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kumāra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kumāra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post highlights an important point for all who are trying to work for their own true freedom. As a Buddhist monk, I see so many people (Buddhists included) trying to meditate their problems away, which is not too different from some others would try to medicate them away. That makes it at best a management strategy, but I think it&#039;s more accurate to call is an avoidance coping strategy.

A lot of Buddhists are approaching meditation with this entirely wrong attitude, and later wonder why it&#039;s not working, or (worse) pretend that it is! Not many of them are aware that we meditate not to forget our problems, but to understand them. The instruction given by the Buddha in Dhamma Wheel Turning discourse (his inaugural discourse) is &quot;This noble truth of suffering is to be fully understood.&quot; That would include seeing the cause and effect of it, so that the origin of suffering is abandoned by that understanding, so that liberation from it is attained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post highlights an important point for all who are trying to work for their own true freedom. As a Buddhist monk, I see so many people (Buddhists included) trying to meditate their problems away, which is not too different from some others would try to medicate them away. That makes it at best a management strategy, but I think it&#8217;s more accurate to call is an avoidance coping strategy.</p>
<p>A lot of Buddhists are approaching meditation with this entirely wrong attitude, and later wonder why it&#8217;s not working, or (worse) pretend that it is! Not many of them are aware that we meditate not to forget our problems, but to understand them. The instruction given by the Buddha in Dhamma Wheel Turning discourse (his inaugural discourse) is &#8220;This noble truth of suffering is to be fully understood.&#8221; That would include seeing the cause and effect of it, so that the origin of suffering is abandoned by that understanding, so that liberation from it is attained.</p>
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		<title>By: jessaka</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The exact place of my blog has been changed:

http://downthecrookedpath-meditation.blogspot.com/

Also this information can also be found here:

http://srfblacklist.yuku.com/directory/default/t/yuku-community.html?new_community=true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exact place of my blog has been changed:</p>
<p><a href="http://downthecrookedpath-meditation.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://downthecrookedpath-meditation.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Also this information can also be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://srfblacklist.yuku.com/directory/default/t/yuku-community.html?new_community=true" rel="nofollow">http://srfblacklist.yuku.com/directory/default/t/yuku-community.html?new_community=true</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guest Post: Dangers of Meditation &#171; Coming Out of the Trees (excerpts from my therapy journal)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest Post: Dangers of Meditation &#171; Coming Out of the Trees (excerpts from my therapy journal)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on PsychCentral. With his permission, I am reproducing an article originally published on his blog: What Everybody Should Know About the Dangers of Meditation. I wanted to post this article on my blog because it highlights the value of &#8220;being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on PsychCentral. With his permission, I am reproducing an article originally published on his blog: What Everybody Should Know About the Dangers of Meditation. I wanted to post this article on my blog because it highlights the value of &#8220;being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there,

I just came across this post because of a strange experience I have had.

I read the book &quot;The Mindful Way Through Depression&quot; by Jon Kabat Zin 3/4 months ago and followed the course of meditations he recommends. I continued afterwards and found it useful and powerful to understand my mind better, and see that my thoughts are just thoughts, not reality.

It has felt like I have been making progress, coming to see more who I really am. I have also stopped drinking for a few weeks in an effort to be more in control.

But today I had a bad experience. After meditating in the morning, I was in a great, confident mood all day.

But then I had a coffee date with a girl this afternoon, and all my calmness just disappeared with the girl. I was nervous, not calm and after saying goodbye to her I just felt awful. All these old fears and insecurities arose. It has made me disheartened with Mindfulness meditation.

I feel like I have overriding issues related to self confidence and insecurities which meditation has perhaps been hiding rather than solving.

It actually feels good just to write about it.

Thanks for this post, it has confirmed to a certain extent what I was starting to think, meditating perhaps isn&#039;t in and of itself the magic bullet for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there,</p>
<p>I just came across this post because of a strange experience I have had.</p>
<p>I read the book &#8220;The Mindful Way Through Depression&#8221; by Jon Kabat Zin 3/4 months ago and followed the course of meditations he recommends. I continued afterwards and found it useful and powerful to understand my mind better, and see that my thoughts are just thoughts, not reality.</p>
<p>It has felt like I have been making progress, coming to see more who I really am. I have also stopped drinking for a few weeks in an effort to be more in control.</p>
<p>But today I had a bad experience. After meditating in the morning, I was in a great, confident mood all day.</p>
<p>But then I had a coffee date with a girl this afternoon, and all my calmness just disappeared with the girl. I was nervous, not calm and after saying goodbye to her I just felt awful. All these old fears and insecurities arose. It has made me disheartened with Mindfulness meditation.</p>
<p>I feel like I have overriding issues related to self confidence and insecurities which meditation has perhaps been hiding rather than solving.</p>
<p>It actually feels good just to write about it.</p>
<p>Thanks for this post, it has confirmed to a certain extent what I was starting to think, meditating perhaps isn&#8217;t in and of itself the magic bullet for me.</p>
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		<title>By: goo</title>
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		<dc:creator>goo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find meditation to be a returning to the self, and it allows us to come into contact with who we really are, instead of who we think we are or who we have been taught/trained to be.  The ego attachment is something to explore and get better at each moment, you don&#039;t have to kill ego to be a better person, you just need to be aware of your ego and how it operates in your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find meditation to be a returning to the self, and it allows us to come into contact with who we really are, instead of who we think we are or who we have been taught/trained to be.  The ego attachment is something to explore and get better at each moment, you don&#8217;t have to kill ego to be a better person, you just need to be aware of your ego and how it operates in your life.</p>
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		<title>By: jessaka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.psychcentral.com/mindfulness/2009/04/what-everybody-should-know-about-the-dangers-of-meditation/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>jessaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://jessaka-downthecrookedpath.blogspot.com/2009/07/great-websites-and-books-on-this.html

Here is a link to my blog if it is permitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://jessaka-downthecrookedpath.blogspot.com/2009/07/great-websites-and-books-on-this.html" rel="nofollow">http://jessaka-downthecrookedpath.blogspot.com/2009/07/great-websites-and-books-on-this.html</a></p>
<p>Here is a link to my blog if it is permitted.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nordstrom&#039;s insight seems so spot-on.
If you have sustained yourself with techniques that take you away from connections with other people - which may have made sense as a child in a crazy family situation - as an adult you do need validation of your experience (the witness)and, I believe, some aid in overcoming the tendency to withdraw(maybe dissociate) from life. Mindfulness meditation - as I see it now - might actually help one to be quiet enough to acknowledge past hurts, to accept who and where you are, and not get caught behavior cycles which are all about avoiding what you fear. To me the detachment sought is from the snare of all-consuming emotions, not from relationships and life at large.

Whoops - I guess I just paraphrased you, Dr. Goldstein! Thanks for this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nordstrom&#8217;s insight seems so spot-on.<br />
If you have sustained yourself with techniques that take you away from connections with other people &#8211; which may have made sense as a child in a crazy family situation &#8211; as an adult you do need validation of your experience (the witness)and, I believe, some aid in overcoming the tendency to withdraw(maybe dissociate) from life. Mindfulness meditation &#8211; as I see it now &#8211; might actually help one to be quiet enough to acknowledge past hurts, to accept who and where you are, and not get caught behavior cycles which are all about avoiding what you fear. To me the detachment sought is from the snare of all-consuming emotions, not from relationships and life at large.</p>
<p>Whoops &#8211; I guess I just paraphrased you, Dr. Goldstein! Thanks for this post.</p>
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