Depression On My Mind

Suicide: What can I say?

By Christine Stapleton
October 26, 2009

I emceed the annual Out of the Darkness walk last Saturday for our local chapter of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. This group is very special to me - not just because I have two suicide attempts in my past. It is because of their extraordinary devotion and perseverance to this cause in the face of overwhelming stigma. More and more we hear a celebrity, coworker, neighbor or friend talk about their depression or bipolar or even their struggle with drugs and alcohol. But discussing an actual suicide with the loved one left behind is still the ultimate taboo. You just don’t do it.

We want to hear the gory details, but we dare not ask. Instead, we rely on hearsay and gossip. We tell ourselves that we do this because we don’t want to inflict any more pain on the grieving loved ones. But we really do it because suicide scares the hell out of us and if it could happen to them, it could happen to someone I love.

After the walkers took off I hung out with several couples whose children had killed themselves. It had been many years since their children’s suicides and all of them now volunteer to help others deal with their grief. I asked if I could ask them some questions - not about details of their children’s suicide but about etiquette.

I have friends of friends who have killed themselves but no one close to me has committed suicide. I, too, am very uncomfortable discussing it with a grieving loved one. I don’t know how to start a conversation and I don’t know how to respond if they decide to talk about it.

So, I asked these parents: “What should I say?” “What questions can I ask and what questions should I not ask?” “Is it okay to ask why it happened?

One mother told me she thought I should break the silence by saying: “I hear you had a wonderful son/daughter/husband.”

“Don’t approach it from the perspective of loss,” she said. “This way they will focus on the good rather than the event.”

One of the fathers disagreed: “I think you should say, “I am sorry for your loss” because it IS a loss.” They went back and forth, discussing their own experience after their children’s suicide. I listened to them. It was an amazing discussion. “Can I ask how they did “it”"? “Can I ask if they saw it coming, if there was a history of mental illness, if something had recently happened?”

I cannot describe how good it felt to have them answer my questions and to hear them discuss their grief and guilt. It was such a relief to finally be able to ask these questions of those with the answers.

“You never learn to live with it. You learn to live around it,” one mother said.

What I learned is this: There is no chiseled-in-stone etiquette. It depends on the situation, the state of mind of the loved one and your relationship with them and the one who has died. Make eye contact, don’t suddenly change the subject or ignore their pain because of your own discomfort.

We all have to break the ice on suicide. They are trying.

Are we?


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I have starred this article on my google reader for maybe about 2 days or so. I see no comments so far.

I’ve known people who have had friends who committed suicide. In a sense, the grief is deferred away from those who knew him to the immediate family. That they had died is acknowledged, but the circumstances are difficult to talk about. I myself attempted suicide a few times in the past. It was a dark time in my life and I feel that I would not have changed my decision at the time. For a person who attempted suicide in the past, it is even a taboo topic for me.

My family were made aware of what happened, and they never ever mention it. It feels unhealthy for me.

Thank you, Michael. I just realized that my mother never mentioned or talked to me about my suicide attempts either.

hi christine! i met you at the walk last saturday and can i just say you’re an awesome person :)

toodles!

Hi Christine,

Thank you for writing this. i am a suicide attempt survivor and am very open about the experience. i feel if my story will help someone, then i’ve helped make the world a better place. If you’d like to read my story, you can find it here;

http://hubpages.com/hub/My-Reflection-of-Personal-Growth-and-Death-of-a-Failed-Relationship

Thanks again for the information!

Rob

Hello,

I have been down the road of suicide many times. I have attempted suicide 4 times. The first time was when I was about 7 or 8. Just recently the memory of that time has surfaced. I have a block on my memory. I can’t remember much before the age of 10. Only flashes of memory here and there. Like poloroid pictures. The time when I first attempted suicide there are 3 images. One of me laying in the street trying to get run over. And two others of the building I was in front of. That’s it, for now. I didn’t think about suicide again till I was 9 1/2 years old. November 21st 1990 to be exact. I was having problems in school, problems like not sitting still, having problem with understanding the material. It was undiagnosed ADHD. I didn’t even know what the problem was called. I was told I was acting out for attention which couldn’t be farther from the truth. After the 6th time of being suspended the principle got upset. My parents told him that he wasn’t helping by suspending me. He finally realized that and decided to punish me for making him look bad. He told my parents they could either have me sent to the psychiatric hospital or he would make sure I got put in a children’s detention center. So that afternoon I was loaded into the car and instructed to tell the lady who was to interview me that I was suicidal and wanted to kill myself. I had no idea why I had to say such a thing, and had no idea what was to happen to me for saying it. I told the lady what I was told to say. 15 minutes later I was being check in to the children’s ward of Charter Oak Hospital in Covina for a week long stay over Thanksgiving to boot. On just my first morning there I was taken to the gym to play basket ball but was really upset and didn’t want to play. I was sitting and watching. I was told since I wouldn’t take part, that I had to go back to the unit. I figured I would be going back to my room. Nope, as soon as I walked through the locked doors of the ward I was taken through the door on the left and pushed into a solitary room (also known as “time out”). They locked the dead bolt along with 3 barrel locks. One at the top of the door, one just above the dead bold and one at the bottom. As if the dead bolt wasn’t enough to hold a 10 year old kid. I was kept in the room for the 45 remaining minutes the other kids were at the gym. I was put in the room again when I went to the nurses station and begged to be let to go home. This hospital stay was my first time away from home besides visiting a family member overnight. Because I stepped over the red line made of duck tape and just kept crying and begging and wouldn’t go back to me room I was put in the solitary room for “going off”. The dead bolt and the three barrel locks were again used as before. I just sat in the corner of the room and cried. I felt betrayed by my parents. For them not being there to keep me safe. If my parents locked me in a room they would go to jail. But yet this hospital could do it any time they wanted. I felt very hurt and scared. It was then for the second time in my life I thought of suicide. I probably would have done it that second had I had a method. I promised myself that if I was still in this much emotional pain and still felt betrayed by my parents I would kill myself on my 18th birthday. Obviously I am still here. I don’t even know how. I guess I have someone watching over me, because to date, every attempt has failed in some way. I was at the hospital for a week that time. My mom used the hospital as a form of punishment up till I was 17 years old. When I did something she didn’t like, she would call the psych hospital and tell them I was suicidal. I would be locked up for 3-7 days. I developed PTSD from the abuse done to me in the psych wards over the years. Me and suicide know each other well. It’s just a shame we met so early in life. 7 is way to young to have those kinds of thoughts.

-Stanley

If someone you know has a suicide loss let them know you are there to listen and care. Unless they tell you the details, there is no need for you to know them- you are there for your friend, not for your own voyerism. There are many reputable suicide prevention sites which have articles or links for “Survivors of Suicide” which is what those left behind are referred to as. Also google ” Suicide postvention”. The more informed you are about suicide loss grief the better you can help your friend.
Those who suicide often had a mental illness. Remember “mental illnesses is a disorder of the brain and not a personal choice”.

I did have someone very close to me who commited suicide. I difficult to peer into the mind of someone who is that psychological disturbed and understand whats going on but when you are so close to that person its almost as if you understand why. The guy I knew I dated for over a year and I knew he had depression, but that wasn’t the only thing that played into that. I think what people don’t realize is that suicide might not be just from a mental illness but also from a physical issue. Greg was born with diabetes and had been putting his own insulin in since he was twelve. He had been plagued by the disease as it was a daily burden in his life. So siomething like that along with depression is a deadly cocktail. We broke up about a month before he did committed suicide and thats where the whole “I’m sorry for your loss thing came in.”

Instead of people seeing that it was a tremendous loss to me they more so saw it as my fault. Suicide is a tricky thing because people don’t know who to blame and usually they don’t want to blame the family because of the burden they already jave from the death so they look to the next closest thing. And in this case I was that person. What I realized though is that these people dont honestly see everything for what it is and what he was struggling with. They don’t want to admit to it. People don’t want to see the ones they love in that type of light so they blame someone else for manpulating them into that person.

Today Saturday 21st Nov is (Inter)National Survivors of Suicide Day (the term “survivors” here refers to those who have lost loved ones to suicide) for more information and valuable resources go to http://www.afsp.org.
Their survivor booklet is particularly useful.

The more “taboo” the subject of suicide is, the more, believe it will occur. LIKE CLOCKWORK. i am in my earlt 40s, but I remember reading The Bell Jar. (Sylvia Plath). Then, mental illness was frightening, shamefull, embarrassing and, again, a TABOO, subject. I feel that the more metal illnesses are respected as real illnesses, and treated aptly so, without the stigma, fear, shame, aloof nature or apathy often related to them, then real strides can be made in regard to treatment and healing. Possibly, when this becomes more prevalent, may lives be saved because mental illnesses can and do sresult in ultimate death. Just like any other progressive disease.

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