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		<title>By: tallen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the husband of a bi-polar wife. Her condition makes her virtually impossible to deal with. She is presently in a manic state, has resorted to drug abuse and tragically gone outside of our marriage. We knew the cycle was coming and went to see her Doctor 2 months ago. She felt anxious, nervous, and was bitter. The doctor changed her medication, however I was not aware she had resorted to illegal drug use as well. Now my families world has been torn apart. She has abandoned our children, and views me as her worst enemy. At this point is there any hope left for her? She is having numerous affairs, and posting photos of herself nude on the internet. This is really not the conservative mother of my children that I adored, loved, and married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the husband of a bi-polar wife. Her condition makes her virtually impossible to deal with. She is presently in a manic state, has resorted to drug abuse and tragically gone outside of our marriage. We knew the cycle was coming and went to see her Doctor 2 months ago. She felt anxious, nervous, and was bitter. The doctor changed her medication, however I was not aware she had resorted to illegal drug use as well. Now my families world has been torn apart. She has abandoned our children, and views me as her worst enemy. At this point is there any hope left for her? She is having numerous affairs, and posting photos of herself nude on the internet. This is really not the conservative mother of my children that I adored, loved, and married.</p>
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		<title>By: Darewife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darewife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that bipolar is a vicious cycle. I also didn&#039;t realize that bipolar is thought to be a mental illness. I don&#039;t like to think of myself as mentally ill. However, I&#039;ve learned to think of bipolar as if I was diagnosed with diabetes. Once diagnosed with diabetes, you have to keep it in check or it could get out of control. The same thing happens with being bipolar. After I was diagnosed with bipolar, I went into denial and I lied to my family and  told them that the doctor&#039;s had made a mistake with my diagnosis. I then had a really bad episode after failing my teacher&#039;s test and I was then kicked of of the teaching program that I was in when they learned about my being ADHD annd bipolar. I realized then that I had a problem like someone who is diagnosed with diabetes and that I needed to always take medicine in order for me to function normally. When I have forgotten to take my meds like I should, my family immediately notices. This hurts, but I love my family more and I don&#039;t want to do anything that I might regret. After reading this, I decided that I want to try therapy because I am soon to be graduated from college and I am scared about what the future holds for me in the workforce. I worry about if I can maintain normality in the workforce and if I can function normally without being impulsive and careless with what I say and do. It took me seven years to get my Bachelor&#039;s degree and now that I&#039;m almost ready to attain this accomplishment, I am worried about what my future holds for me. I&#039;ve also learned that you can not be open with people and tell them that you are ADHD and Bipolar, especially Bipoloar. People are not so understanding and they are naturally judgemental of others. I wonder sometimes if my bipolar is brought on from having been abused as a child and that it is not genetic. However, I have two sisters and my mother who have been diagnosed with Bipolar also. By the way, excercise has been helping me to clear my head along with the medication. Excercising takes self discipline, but I&#039;ve found that it is worth it. So, when it feels like the meds aren&#039;t working, excercising does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that bipolar is a vicious cycle. I also didn&#8217;t realize that bipolar is thought to be a mental illness. I don&#8217;t like to think of myself as mentally ill. However, I&#8217;ve learned to think of bipolar as if I was diagnosed with diabetes. Once diagnosed with diabetes, you have to keep it in check or it could get out of control. The same thing happens with being bipolar. After I was diagnosed with bipolar, I went into denial and I lied to my family and  told them that the doctor&#8217;s had made a mistake with my diagnosis. I then had a really bad episode after failing my teacher&#8217;s test and I was then kicked of of the teaching program that I was in when they learned about my being ADHD annd bipolar. I realized then that I had a problem like someone who is diagnosed with diabetes and that I needed to always take medicine in order for me to function normally. When I have forgotten to take my meds like I should, my family immediately notices. This hurts, but I love my family more and I don&#8217;t want to do anything that I might regret. After reading this, I decided that I want to try therapy because I am soon to be graduated from college and I am scared about what the future holds for me in the workforce. I worry about if I can maintain normality in the workforce and if I can function normally without being impulsive and careless with what I say and do. It took me seven years to get my Bachelor&#8217;s degree and now that I&#8217;m almost ready to attain this accomplishment, I am worried about what my future holds for me. I&#8217;ve also learned that you can not be open with people and tell them that you are ADHD and Bipolar, especially Bipoloar. People are not so understanding and they are naturally judgemental of others. I wonder sometimes if my bipolar is brought on from having been abused as a child and that it is not genetic. However, I have two sisters and my mother who have been diagnosed with Bipolar also. By the way, excercise has been helping me to clear my head along with the medication. Excercising takes self discipline, but I&#8217;ve found that it is worth it. So, when it feels like the meds aren&#8217;t working, excercising does.</p>
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		<title>By: Blame it on the mania &#171; Journey to balance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blame it on the mania &#171; Journey to balance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bipolar disorder, and bipolar mania are serious conditions. They can cause upheaval in the lives of those who suffer with the disease as well as the entire family. Here is the link to a good article on bipolar mania. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bipolar disorder, and bipolar mania are serious conditions. They can cause upheaval in the lives of those who suffer with the disease as well as the entire family. Here is the link to a good article on bipolar mania. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went into a manic state a while back and managed to destroy two friendships that I&#039;ve had for 10 years. I was so aggressive and impulsive that the slightest thing set me off and I responded (what I thought) accordingly; needless to say, I came down from it and was horrified at what I&#039;d said and done.

One of my friends understood somewhat and, though she said her trust in me was strained, tried to understand. She gave me an ultimatum though: Take your medication or we&#039;re not friends. My doctor put me on lithium, which I hate taking for a number of reasons and though I&#039;ve tried explaining them to her, she says that she worries about me too much and if I don&#039;t and have another manic episode, she can&#039;t support me.

The other friend cut off contact completely, and honestly, I can&#039;t say I blame her.

The hardest thing to do is explain to other people that it doesn&#039;t even feel like you afterward--it feels like some stranger hijacked your body, screwed up your life, and then you come back to yourself to realize that everything around you is strained or broken. From my experience, most people--even those who want to understand--tend to have this subconscious mentality that you were just being unreasonable, like a bad temper that you can control, or that somehow you&#039;re just using your bipolar as an excuse.

Sorry for the lengthy comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went into a manic state a while back and managed to destroy two friendships that I&#8217;ve had for 10 years. I was so aggressive and impulsive that the slightest thing set me off and I responded (what I thought) accordingly; needless to say, I came down from it and was horrified at what I&#8217;d said and done.</p>
<p>One of my friends understood somewhat and, though she said her trust in me was strained, tried to understand. She gave me an ultimatum though: Take your medication or we&#8217;re not friends. My doctor put me on lithium, which I hate taking for a number of reasons and though I&#8217;ve tried explaining them to her, she says that she worries about me too much and if I don&#8217;t and have another manic episode, she can&#8217;t support me.</p>
<p>The other friend cut off contact completely, and honestly, I can&#8217;t say I blame her.</p>
<p>The hardest thing to do is explain to other people that it doesn&#8217;t even feel like you afterward&#8211;it feels like some stranger hijacked your body, screwed up your life, and then you come back to yourself to realize that everything around you is strained or broken. From my experience, most people&#8211;even those who want to understand&#8211;tend to have this subconscious mentality that you were just being unreasonable, like a bad temper that you can control, or that somehow you&#8217;re just using your bipolar as an excuse.</p>
<p>Sorry for the lengthy comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kraynak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kraynak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robyn--

You&#039;re right, it could be something other than bipolar. And yes, anger can be a part of bipolar, although other things can cause irritability and anger too, including other health conditions.

You and your family, including your brother, will probably never know the root cause unless some well-qualified person(s) can step in, defuse the situation, and then start sorting out what&#039;s going on.

I hate to see anyone&#039;s family torn apart and suffer so much. I&#039;m no expert in these matters, but I think your family would benefit greatly by pulling together and committing to resolve this unacceptable situation. Treat it as something that MUST be resolved.

You have much to lose if this continues and much more to gain by resolving this. What a wonderful gift it would be for your parents and your family to have your brother back healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robyn&#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, it could be something other than bipolar. And yes, anger can be a part of bipolar, although other things can cause irritability and anger too, including other health conditions.</p>
<p>You and your family, including your brother, will probably never know the root cause unless some well-qualified person(s) can step in, defuse the situation, and then start sorting out what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>I hate to see anyone&#8217;s family torn apart and suffer so much. I&#8217;m no expert in these matters, but I think your family would benefit greatly by pulling together and committing to resolve this unacceptable situation. Treat it as something that MUST be resolved.</p>
<p>You have much to lose if this continues and much more to gain by resolving this. What a wonderful gift it would be for your parents and your family to have your brother back healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Joe, I&#039;m not sure if bipolar is the disorder is my brothers problem or not, but I am sure he has a problem. He cannot let go of the past, he is still mad, and won&#039;t speak to family members or friends that he thinks have done him wrong 30 years ago!  Oh my!  He still brings it up... He also has an anger problem. Is this part of the disease?  I know that if he would flip and do the things he says he&#039;s going to, he would REALLY hurt someone. He has spoken of suicide as well. I&#039;m just sick of my family being ALL torn apart and all the loose ends being trailed back to something he said or did.  This is going to kill my parents....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Joe, I&#8217;m not sure if bipolar is the disorder is my brothers problem or not, but I am sure he has a problem. He cannot let go of the past, he is still mad, and won&#8217;t speak to family members or friends that he thinks have done him wrong 30 years ago!  Oh my!  He still brings it up&#8230; He also has an anger problem. Is this part of the disease?  I know that if he would flip and do the things he says he&#8217;s going to, he would REALLY hurt someone. He has spoken of suicide as well. I&#8217;m just sick of my family being ALL torn apart and all the loose ends being trailed back to something he said or did.  This is going to kill my parents&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kraynak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kraynak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Robyn--

Dr. Fink posted a piece some time ago entitled &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.psychcentral.com/bipolar/2009/01/encouraging-a-family-member-with-bipolar-to-get-help/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Encouraging a Family Member with Bipolar to Get Help&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; which probably doesn&#039;t apply to your situation. It sounds as though your brother would not be at all receptive to any suggestions at this point.

Dr. Fink posted another piece that may be more appropriate for your situation entitled &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.finkshrink.com/blog/marriage/can-i-have-my-manic-loved-one-hospitalized.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Can I Have My Manic Loved One Hospitalized?&lt;/a&gt;&quot; on our other Bipolar Blog.

By referring to these two articles, I do not want to discourage others from posting their insights. If you&#039;ve been in a situation similar to the one that Robyn&#039;s family is facing and found something that works, please offer your words of wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Robyn&#8211;</p>
<p>Dr. Fink posted a piece some time ago entitled &#8220;<a href="http://blogs.psychcentral.com/bipolar/2009/01/encouraging-a-family-member-with-bipolar-to-get-help/" rel="nofollow">Encouraging a Family Member with Bipolar to Get Help</a>,&#8221; which probably doesn&#8217;t apply to your situation. It sounds as though your brother would not be at all receptive to any suggestions at this point.</p>
<p>Dr. Fink posted another piece that may be more appropriate for your situation entitled &#8220;<a href="http://www.finkshrink.com/blog/marriage/can-i-have-my-manic-loved-one-hospitalized.html" rel="nofollow">Can I Have My Manic Loved One Hospitalized?</a>&#8221; on our other Bipolar Blog.</p>
<p>By referring to these two articles, I do not want to discourage others from posting their insights. If you&#8217;ve been in a situation similar to the one that Robyn&#8217;s family is facing and found something that works, please offer your words of wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops after rereading I should also tell you that my brother has had several relationships with women, and has not kept any of them, not because he is abusive, but because he wants to control the woman&#039;s EVERY thought.  My parents will not throw him out because he has no job, no money, no drivers license. He did not pay child support, lost his license for that, as well as driving without insurance and owes $9000.00.  Also he has been involved in drugs most of his adult life.  He will not venture to ANY social events, and also missed grandparents and relatives funerals.  Please Help, any kind of help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops after rereading I should also tell you that my brother has had several relationships with women, and has not kept any of them, not because he is abusive, but because he wants to control the woman&#8217;s EVERY thought.  My parents will not throw him out because he has no job, no money, no drivers license. He did not pay child support, lost his license for that, as well as driving without insurance and owes $9000.00.  Also he has been involved in drugs most of his adult life.  He will not venture to ANY social events, and also missed grandparents and relatives funerals.  Please Help, any kind of help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to understand, I hope someone can help me. I am a 54 year old woman, oldest of seven. My mother has recently been diagnosed with breast cancer and had a mastectomy.  My Dad has a rare form of leukiemia that he is being treated for as well.  Both of my parents are in their 70&#039;s.  I have a 51 year old brother that has battled his entire life with something, I&#039;m not totally sure how to describe. When I read the childhood ADHD he was exactly that! That was before the medication &quot;ridalin&quot;. My mother always said my brother could scale a glass wall. They didn&#039;t know what to do with him, and he was always in trouble. Spankins were acceptable back then, and believe me, he got more than his share. Now that he is older, he has an anger management problem. He is mean and very intimdating as he is a big man. My question is, how do I ask him to get a test done to see what is wrong. Recently he has moved back into my parents home, and none of the siblings will go to visit since he is there. IF they do go to visit, he (my brother) will slam things around and cause chaos while we are there to visit. This has caused tremendous problems in the family.  HELP!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to understand, I hope someone can help me. I am a 54 year old woman, oldest of seven. My mother has recently been diagnosed with breast cancer and had a mastectomy.  My Dad has a rare form of leukiemia that he is being treated for as well.  Both of my parents are in their 70&#8242;s.  I have a 51 year old brother that has battled his entire life with something, I&#8217;m not totally sure how to describe. When I read the childhood ADHD he was exactly that! That was before the medication &#8220;ridalin&#8221;. My mother always said my brother could scale a glass wall. They didn&#8217;t know what to do with him, and he was always in trouble. Spankins were acceptable back then, and believe me, he got more than his share. Now that he is older, he has an anger management problem. He is mean and very intimdating as he is a big man. My question is, how do I ask him to get a test done to see what is wrong. Recently he has moved back into my parents home, and none of the siblings will go to visit since he is there. IF they do go to visit, he (my brother) will slam things around and cause chaos while we are there to visit. This has caused tremendous problems in the family.  HELP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Camilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a bipolar II patient. I have been stable, on meds (carbamazepine) and therapy for almost 5 years now. Unfortunately, I was also without any control for another 5 years, previously. Full-blown manias and depressions. Not pretty. Sadly, my now ex-partner was with me during this time, and she experienced all my manias and depressions. Manias seem to be harder for her to understand, and forgive. I dont think she ever fully forgave me for my actions, even though I tried so many times to explain they weren&#039;t enrirely &quot;MY&quot; actions.

I think Mania is harder to accept, understand, and forgive for people around bipolar patients. Like I always told my ex: &quot;You tell me it was horrible for you, to stand through all my episodes. That, I understand. I&#039;m sure it was. What you don&#039;t seem to understand is that it was just as horrible for me. I don&#039;t enjoy hurting people I love. I never intended to do any of the things I did during my episodes. I think it was just as hard for me as it was for you.&quot;

I clearly remember and will never forget how when I was on mania, I ended up screaming at my ex really bad, with our newborn present. I always ended up crying after my outbreaks of screaming. Now I understand why. It was hurting me to do so to my loved ones.

Mania and bipolar in general are hard things. Not easy at all. But at the same time, they arent impossible to overcome. It just takes a lot of work, effort, patience, and persistance. But you CAN overcome it. Trust me, I did.

Blessings to all bipolar patients out there, and of course, blessings also to all the people that have a bipolar in their family, or as a partner. Please try to understand it hurts us just as much as it hurts you. It really does.

Camilo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bipolar II patient. I have been stable, on meds (carbamazepine) and therapy for almost 5 years now. Unfortunately, I was also without any control for another 5 years, previously. Full-blown manias and depressions. Not pretty. Sadly, my now ex-partner was with me during this time, and she experienced all my manias and depressions. Manias seem to be harder for her to understand, and forgive. I dont think she ever fully forgave me for my actions, even though I tried so many times to explain they weren&#8217;t enrirely &#8220;MY&#8221; actions.</p>
<p>I think Mania is harder to accept, understand, and forgive for people around bipolar patients. Like I always told my ex: &#8220;You tell me it was horrible for you, to stand through all my episodes. That, I understand. I&#8217;m sure it was. What you don&#8217;t seem to understand is that it was just as horrible for me. I don&#8217;t enjoy hurting people I love. I never intended to do any of the things I did during my episodes. I think it was just as hard for me as it was for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I clearly remember and will never forget how when I was on mania, I ended up screaming at my ex really bad, with our newborn present. I always ended up crying after my outbreaks of screaming. Now I understand why. It was hurting me to do so to my loved ones.</p>
<p>Mania and bipolar in general are hard things. Not easy at all. But at the same time, they arent impossible to overcome. It just takes a lot of work, effort, patience, and persistance. But you CAN overcome it. Trust me, I did.</p>
<p>Blessings to all bipolar patients out there, and of course, blessings also to all the people that have a bipolar in their family, or as a partner. Please try to understand it hurts us just as much as it hurts you. It really does.</p>
<p>Camilo</p>
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