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		<title>By: Dr Laura Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Laura Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment. I&#039;ll try :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Lynn Dover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Dover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a university educator, I would have grave concerns about any training program that models ridicule as a form of academic discussion.

 Ridicule is an attempt to enforce social norms by taking advantage of the natural human desire for respect from their peers.   Such an attempt ought to have no place in an academic discussion.  If my professors were to model that sort of behaviour, I would run, not walk, away from that training program.

I do not say this to bring doubt about your credentials. I say this because I am confused. You appeared to cite this ridicule approvingly while simultaneously decrying other people&#039;s failure to use evidence-based methods.   Where is the evidence in ridicule?   To accept your argument as valid I would simply be relying on the supposed authority of your professors. Argument from authority went out with the middle ages (long before Freud!)

 Physician: heal thyself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a university educator, I would have grave concerns about any training program that models ridicule as a form of academic discussion.</p>
<p> Ridicule is an attempt to enforce social norms by taking advantage of the natural human desire for respect from their peers.   Such an attempt ought to have no place in an academic discussion.  If my professors were to model that sort of behaviour, I would run, not walk, away from that training program.</p>
<p>I do not say this to bring doubt about your credentials. I say this because I am confused. You appeared to cite this ridicule approvingly while simultaneously decrying other people&#8217;s failure to use evidence-based methods.   Where is the evidence in ridicule?   To accept your argument as valid I would simply be relying on the supposed authority of your professors. Argument from authority went out with the middle ages (long before Freud!)</p>
<p> Physician: heal thyself.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles H. Elliott, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles H. Elliott, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Raymond: True, but these goals are not incompatible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Raymond: True, but these goals are not incompatible!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Bokenkamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Bokenkamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there should be more focus on proven techniques. But there are often underlying issues to the symptoms. I think that a good therapist can help identify some of the underlying issues as well over time. Not just the head-ache but what is causing the headache.

Raymond Bokenkamp
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there should be more focus on proven techniques. But there are often underlying issues to the symptoms. I think that a good therapist can help identify some of the underlying issues as well over time. Not just the head-ache but what is causing the headache.</p>
<p>Raymond Bokenkamp<br />
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		<title>By: Laura Smith, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Smith, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true. I don&#039;t know many insurance companies that will fund psychoanalysis several times a week for many years. That&#039;s the reality for most of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true. I don&#8217;t know many insurance companies that will fund psychoanalysis several times a week for many years. That&#8217;s the reality for most of us.</p>
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		<title>By: TPG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.psychcentral.com/anxiety/2009/11/psychotherapy-art-or-science/comment-page-1/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>TPG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not the efficacy of different kinds of therapy. The problem is insurance.

That sentence is hyperbole to make a point, and here&#039;s my point. If a human wants to dump, pour, or invest tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars into a psychoanalysis or long-long-long term therapeutic relationship, that is the person&#039;s prerogative. I could see where for some folks, with a brilliant analyst and a probing analysand mind, that could be a fantastic intellectual and emotional exercise.  I can even see where anecdotally  (as opposed to statistically) it could provide a &quot;cure.&quot;

The problem is, where does insurance and government funding via Medicaid enter into it?  Especially with the 2010 advent of mental health parity, what is the responsibility of the larger insurance pool participants to pay for such an analysis or relationship?  Freud said that the point of psychotherapy is to turn neurosis into ordinary human misery.  How much misery should be tolerable, and how much of your misery should I be responsible for paying for to alleviate?  How miserable ought I be before I ask you to help fund my care?

No answers here, just questions. Great post and excellent comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not the efficacy of different kinds of therapy. The problem is insurance.</p>
<p>That sentence is hyperbole to make a point, and here&#8217;s my point. If a human wants to dump, pour, or invest tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars into a psychoanalysis or long-long-long term therapeutic relationship, that is the person&#8217;s prerogative. I could see where for some folks, with a brilliant analyst and a probing analysand mind, that could be a fantastic intellectual and emotional exercise.  I can even see where anecdotally  (as opposed to statistically) it could provide a &#8220;cure.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is, where does insurance and government funding via Medicaid enter into it?  Especially with the 2010 advent of mental health parity, what is the responsibility of the larger insurance pool participants to pay for such an analysis or relationship?  Freud said that the point of psychotherapy is to turn neurosis into ordinary human misery.  How much misery should be tolerable, and how much of your misery should I be responsible for paying for to alleviate?  How miserable ought I be before I ask you to help fund my care?</p>
<p>No answers here, just questions. Great post and excellent comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Smith, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Smith, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful response and it&#039;s wonderful that a psychodynamic theraputic approach has worked well for you. I believe that many of the theoretical differences are really semantic differences. Psychotherapy integration has its own journal. So people in the field are certainly talking about theories. Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful response and it&#8217;s wonderful that a psychodynamic theraputic approach has worked well for you. I believe that many of the theoretical differences are really semantic differences. Psychotherapy integration has its own journal. So people in the field are certainly talking about theories. Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Please do not destroy the art of therapy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Please do not destroy the art of therapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study you referenced compared SHORT TERM psychodynamic therapy with CBT, with the mean # of sessions approx. 29. The prevalent factor that improved less with STPDT as opposed to CBT was &#039;worry&#039;. A population of 50 some people, excluding those with prior depression w/in the past year....both groups of therapists had to use manuals - CBT therapists are used to using manuals and trained in their use, while the PD therapists generally do not use manuals (because each person they treat is unique)..okay I&#039;ll stop.

My main diagnosis was GAD. Now, in PD therapy, I don&#039;t really have one (except when one must be chosen to submit to the insurance co.). I found psychodynamic therapists (can only speak for the ones I have known) do not use the DSM diagnosis in terms of formulating a person&#039;s needs or categorize people into those narrow labels. Diagnoses change all the time, but how they overlap heavily adds much more complexity, which I think is another factor that leads to difficulties with making valid conclusions from comparing therapies.

I wonder if those who end up in psychodynamic therapy have more complex problems to begin with? Not in studies, but in the non-study world?

What has really helped me in terms of psychodynamic therapy was the opportunity to access and work through emotions that have been repressed all my life. This was the missing element from years of other therapies. I&#039;m middle aged now, and am very saddened I was so clueless all those years about the different types of therapy, while I was engaged in those that made not one iota of difference in my life (even though the therapists were supportive and nice to talk to).

I really wish one of my psychiatrists would have suggested psychodynamic therapy (I had never heard of it prior to one year ago). People should be educated as to what their options are. Not one P-Doc suggested I try a different therapeutic approach than CBT. Now, with the information on the internet, it is so much easier to investigate your options. Before I had internet access-I did not even know there were so many different types of therapeutic approaches! Not everyone uses the internet for medical information..and even so, P-Docs should inform patients of these options at some point during one of our 15 minute medication appointments.

But I do think experience makes a huge difference. A therapist may be taught a certain method and realize it doesn&#039;t work and change their approach. My current PD therapist/MD told me that long ago, he revised his techniques originally taught through psychoanalytic training. I weigh a therapist&#039;s 30 plus years of experience with the nature of human relationships much greater than what a student might learn from a graduate program. That&#039;s just my personal belief and preference though. Converting the many theories to clinical practice is primarily how I see the art in it all.....a skill acquired through experience. The downside is mistakes are likely to be made through some of these learning experiences...

At any rate, I&#039;m glad to see studies comparing therapies, pleased to see others reporting on them and welcome the chance to discuss them...so thanks for your article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study you referenced compared SHORT TERM psychodynamic therapy with CBT, with the mean # of sessions approx. 29. The prevalent factor that improved less with STPDT as opposed to CBT was &#8216;worry&#8217;. A population of 50 some people, excluding those with prior depression w/in the past year&#8230;.both groups of therapists had to use manuals &#8211; CBT therapists are used to using manuals and trained in their use, while the PD therapists generally do not use manuals (because each person they treat is unique)..okay I&#8217;ll stop.</p>
<p>My main diagnosis was GAD. Now, in PD therapy, I don&#8217;t really have one (except when one must be chosen to submit to the insurance co.). I found psychodynamic therapists (can only speak for the ones I have known) do not use the DSM diagnosis in terms of formulating a person&#8217;s needs or categorize people into those narrow labels. Diagnoses change all the time, but how they overlap heavily adds much more complexity, which I think is another factor that leads to difficulties with making valid conclusions from comparing therapies.</p>
<p>I wonder if those who end up in psychodynamic therapy have more complex problems to begin with? Not in studies, but in the non-study world?</p>
<p>What has really helped me in terms of psychodynamic therapy was the opportunity to access and work through emotions that have been repressed all my life. This was the missing element from years of other therapies. I&#8217;m middle aged now, and am very saddened I was so clueless all those years about the different types of therapy, while I was engaged in those that made not one iota of difference in my life (even though the therapists were supportive and nice to talk to).</p>
<p>I really wish one of my psychiatrists would have suggested psychodynamic therapy (I had never heard of it prior to one year ago). People should be educated as to what their options are. Not one P-Doc suggested I try a different therapeutic approach than CBT. Now, with the information on the internet, it is so much easier to investigate your options. Before I had internet access-I did not even know there were so many different types of therapeutic approaches! Not everyone uses the internet for medical information..and even so, P-Docs should inform patients of these options at some point during one of our 15 minute medication appointments.</p>
<p>But I do think experience makes a huge difference. A therapist may be taught a certain method and realize it doesn&#8217;t work and change their approach. My current PD therapist/MD told me that long ago, he revised his techniques originally taught through psychoanalytic training. I weigh a therapist&#8217;s 30 plus years of experience with the nature of human relationships much greater than what a student might learn from a graduate program. That&#8217;s just my personal belief and preference though. Converting the many theories to clinical practice is primarily how I see the art in it all&#8230;..a skill acquired through experience. The downside is mistakes are likely to be made through some of these learning experiences&#8230;</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;m glad to see studies comparing therapies, pleased to see others reporting on them and welcome the chance to discuss them&#8230;so thanks for your article!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Smith, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Smith, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many problems comparing psychotherapies--such as how to operationalize and control for the human factors such as therapeutic relationship. Many studies do so by comparing different theraputic approaches that all provide therapeutic alliance such as supportive therapy, interpersonal therapy versus CBT. In one interesting study reported in the American Journal of Psychiatry (2009), Dr. Falk Leichsenring compared psychodynamic psychotherapy (his preference) to CBT for people with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. The study was designed to balance the factors such as number of sessions and amount of time in session. There are few such studies. This one found overall CBT helped people with GAD more than psyhchodynamic therapy. Research studies can&#039;t answer all of our questions about therapy and humans, but it can inform and guide those of us who struggle with what works. Please, if any one knows of specific studies that look at how psychodynamic therapy has helped people with OCD--we&#039;d seriously like to have the reference. Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many problems comparing psychotherapies&#8211;such as how to operationalize and control for the human factors such as therapeutic relationship. Many studies do so by comparing different theraputic approaches that all provide therapeutic alliance such as supportive therapy, interpersonal therapy versus CBT. In one interesting study reported in the American Journal of Psychiatry (2009), Dr. Falk Leichsenring compared psychodynamic psychotherapy (his preference) to CBT for people with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. The study was designed to balance the factors such as number of sessions and amount of time in session. There are few such studies. This one found overall CBT helped people with GAD more than psyhchodynamic therapy. Research studies can&#8217;t answer all of our questions about therapy and humans, but it can inform and guide those of us who struggle with what works. Please, if any one knows of specific studies that look at how psychodynamic therapy has helped people with OCD&#8211;we&#8217;d seriously like to have the reference. Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Please do not destroy the art of therapy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Please do not destroy the art of therapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This short PC article is relevant to this discussion:

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/04/03/intensive-psychotherapy-helps-bipolar/

Someone posted a comment in the PC forum about medicare only allowing cbt or interpersonal therapy. Because of the source, i&#039;m not sure if this is fact, but i see turning therapy into a science-in terms of basing treatments on statistics-as problematic. People who would greatly benefit from psychoanalysis would be left out in the cold and never experience recovery because of some statistic/empirical evidence that classifies people in groups instead of individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This short PC article is relevant to this discussion:</p>
<p><a href="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/04/03/intensive-psychotherapy-helps-bipolar/" rel="nofollow">http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/04/03/intensive-psychotherapy-helps-bipolar/</a></p>
<p>Someone posted a comment in the PC forum about medicare only allowing cbt or interpersonal therapy. Because of the source, i&#8217;m not sure if this is fact, but i see turning therapy into a science-in terms of basing treatments on statistics-as problematic. People who would greatly benefit from psychoanalysis would be left out in the cold and never experience recovery because of some statistic/empirical evidence that classifies people in groups instead of individuals.</p>
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