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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Red. People who don&#039;t have BPD truly have no idea what it&#039;s like to suffer this illness. That goes for any doctor too. 

I have been married for 14 yrs and was diagnosed 6 years ago. Not everyone has relationships doomed to fail. Maybe a little more compassion, therapy and understanding would go a long way....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Red. People who don&#8217;t have BPD truly have no idea what it&#8217;s like to suffer this illness. That goes for any doctor too. </p>
<p>I have been married for 14 yrs and was diagnosed 6 years ago. Not everyone has relationships doomed to fail. Maybe a little more compassion, therapy and understanding would go a long way&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: drchuckelliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>drchuckelliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Red: Thanks much for the clarification. I did misread that post. And you make some great points overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Red: Thanks much for the clarification. I did misread that post. And you make some great points overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Evie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to say a few things.  First, I am not sure, Dr. Eliot, if you missed this in Art&#039;s post, but he said, &quot;I’m scared that she will get mad and I will hit her then she calls the police and I go to jail I am a broke college student.&quot;  He is saying he is afraid HE will HIT his girlfriend because she will get mad and then she will take legal recourse.  Why would he hit her or hit anyone?  This relationship doesn&#039;t sound healthy to me on either side.  There is no mention of her hitting him, just of her getting &quot;crazy.&quot;  If I had a boyfriend who hit me because I got mad he wanted to leave me, I might call the cops, too because I would be afraid of him.  Nobody should HIT anybody.  And I think anger is a common reaction to being left, not just among people who have bpd -- nobody likes to feel abandoned.  People with bpd might just take it harder because we feel things so deeply.  Also, Art refers to her as &quot;bpd&quot; instead of as a person with bpd.  People are not disorders.  Nobody IS bpd.

That being said, I also have a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder and I have gone through years of outpatient group and individual treatment in various modalities (including mentalization, CBT, psychoanalytic) -- I found DBT most helpful.  It helped to explain the world to me.  I knew how to mentalize, so that therapy wasn&#039;t very revealing to me.  I also liked psychodynamic therapy because the transference and insights gained fascinated me.  It was intensely painful for me to handle all the emotions brought up by such therapy, but luckily I was learning DBT at the same time and that gave me some skills.  

I want to remind anyone reading this that people who have borderline personality disorder and other personality disorders are also individuals who cannot be diluted down to their diagnoses, even as that may be an easier way for us to be perceived. For instance, I don&#039;t see myself in the portraits of people described here, in the black-and-whiteness that is emphasized.  Most of the relationships described above, albeit in very few words and hence it is hard to get a whole picture, seem to be of people who seem very out-of-control at the expense of others.  BPD can be treated, and I have seen in myself and in other group members that personality can change.  It is terrifically hard work and it does require a large degree of insight into your own condition.  And you have to be able to accept yourself the way you are, which means seeing some things you might not like to see and hearing some things from other people that you don&#039;t want to hear about yourself.  

I had a different problem from the people described above -- I was *too* controlled.  My affect was restricted.  My anger management problem was more that I had difficulty expressing any anger at all.  And I certainly didn&#039;t take it out on anyone.  I&#039;ve never wanted to hurt anyone.  

But I have been idealized by people who I have dated and I didn&#039;t liked that at all because I couldn&#039;t live up to an ideal.  I felt as if I was misunderstood and not known at all and that depressed me and made me anxious around the other person.  It became difficult to express myself when someone saw me as simply perfect when I knew I was not.  When I was treated in this way, I withdrew from the person, which made them angry.  And the more they got angry with me for not being who they thought I was, the more I withdrew. I felt angry, myself, that I was being pushed into a corner. I took this anger out on myself in destructive ways and my relationships never lasted long because I couldn&#039;t handle the incongruity between who they thought I was and who I felt I was. They fell in love with a stranger, and I felt increasingly estranged and certainly not in love with them at all, for which I felt guilty.  I always broke it off.  

People who suffer from bpd really do *suffer*.  It is an incredibly painful disorder.  When I read about all the chaos people with bpd cause in the lives of those around them, I have to say it takes two (or more) to tango.  I didn&#039;t ask for a personality disorder.  There are reasons, very horrible and painful reasons, that my personality developed in the way it did.  Ways that I strive daily to undo.  I understand it is hard to &quot;walk on eggshells&quot; around someone with bpd -- they can be manipulative, unpredictable, and destructive.  But just remember, while you crunch your eggshells, they are walking on sharp knives and trying their best to cope with a world in which they feel they do not fit in, can never fit in, do not understand at all, and in which they feel completely misunderstood, in which they feel they can do nothing right -- they ruin everything.  And the tragic fact is, they, we do ruin things for ourselves -- self-destructive behavior is sometimes the only way people with bpd know how to act.  And when you want to reach out to stroke a rose petal, and you end up crushing and killing the whole plant, and bleeding from it besides, that hurts really really bad.  

But not everyone with bpd acts like those in the portraits described here.  It can be a largely hidden disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to say a few things.  First, I am not sure, Dr. Eliot, if you missed this in Art&#8217;s post, but he said, &#8220;I’m scared that she will get mad and I will hit her then she calls the police and I go to jail I am a broke college student.&#8221;  He is saying he is afraid HE will HIT his girlfriend because she will get mad and then she will take legal recourse.  Why would he hit her or hit anyone?  This relationship doesn&#8217;t sound healthy to me on either side.  There is no mention of her hitting him, just of her getting &#8220;crazy.&#8221;  If I had a boyfriend who hit me because I got mad he wanted to leave me, I might call the cops, too because I would be afraid of him.  Nobody should HIT anybody.  And I think anger is a common reaction to being left, not just among people who have bpd &#8212; nobody likes to feel abandoned.  People with bpd might just take it harder because we feel things so deeply.  Also, Art refers to her as &#8220;bpd&#8221; instead of as a person with bpd.  People are not disorders.  Nobody IS bpd.</p>
<p>That being said, I also have a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder and I have gone through years of outpatient group and individual treatment in various modalities (including mentalization, CBT, psychoanalytic) &#8212; I found DBT most helpful.  It helped to explain the world to me.  I knew how to mentalize, so that therapy wasn&#8217;t very revealing to me.  I also liked psychodynamic therapy because the transference and insights gained fascinated me.  It was intensely painful for me to handle all the emotions brought up by such therapy, but luckily I was learning DBT at the same time and that gave me some skills.  </p>
<p>I want to remind anyone reading this that people who have borderline personality disorder and other personality disorders are also individuals who cannot be diluted down to their diagnoses, even as that may be an easier way for us to be perceived. For instance, I don&#8217;t see myself in the portraits of people described here, in the black-and-whiteness that is emphasized.  Most of the relationships described above, albeit in very few words and hence it is hard to get a whole picture, seem to be of people who seem very out-of-control at the expense of others.  BPD can be treated, and I have seen in myself and in other group members that personality can change.  It is terrifically hard work and it does require a large degree of insight into your own condition.  And you have to be able to accept yourself the way you are, which means seeing some things you might not like to see and hearing some things from other people that you don&#8217;t want to hear about yourself.  </p>
<p>I had a different problem from the people described above &#8212; I was *too* controlled.  My affect was restricted.  My anger management problem was more that I had difficulty expressing any anger at all.  And I certainly didn&#8217;t take it out on anyone.  I&#8217;ve never wanted to hurt anyone.  </p>
<p>But I have been idealized by people who I have dated and I didn&#8217;t liked that at all because I couldn&#8217;t live up to an ideal.  I felt as if I was misunderstood and not known at all and that depressed me and made me anxious around the other person.  It became difficult to express myself when someone saw me as simply perfect when I knew I was not.  When I was treated in this way, I withdrew from the person, which made them angry.  And the more they got angry with me for not being who they thought I was, the more I withdrew. I felt angry, myself, that I was being pushed into a corner. I took this anger out on myself in destructive ways and my relationships never lasted long because I couldn&#8217;t handle the incongruity between who they thought I was and who I felt I was. They fell in love with a stranger, and I felt increasingly estranged and certainly not in love with them at all, for which I felt guilty.  I always broke it off.  </p>
<p>People who suffer from bpd really do *suffer*.  It is an incredibly painful disorder.  When I read about all the chaos people with bpd cause in the lives of those around them, I have to say it takes two (or more) to tango.  I didn&#8217;t ask for a personality disorder.  There are reasons, very horrible and painful reasons, that my personality developed in the way it did.  Ways that I strive daily to undo.  I understand it is hard to &#8220;walk on eggshells&#8221; around someone with bpd &#8212; they can be manipulative, unpredictable, and destructive.  But just remember, while you crunch your eggshells, they are walking on sharp knives and trying their best to cope with a world in which they feel they do not fit in, can never fit in, do not understand at all, and in which they feel completely misunderstood, in which they feel they can do nothing right &#8212; they ruin everything.  And the tragic fact is, they, we do ruin things for ourselves &#8212; self-destructive behavior is sometimes the only way people with bpd know how to act.  And when you want to reach out to stroke a rose petal, and you end up crushing and killing the whole plant, and bleeding from it besides, that hurts really really bad.  </p>
<p>But not everyone with bpd acts like those in the portraits described here.  It can be a largely hidden disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles H. Elliott, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles H. Elliott, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@confused: This situation doesn&#039;t sound very encouraging. However, as long as you have doubts, perhaps you should see a therapist to help you sort it out. Or a couple&#039;s therapist. If she refuses to go with you, that may give you more useful information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@confused: This situation doesn&#8217;t sound very encouraging. However, as long as you have doubts, perhaps you should see a therapist to help you sort it out. Or a couple&#8217;s therapist. If she refuses to go with you, that may give you more useful information.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused as hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused as hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on/off seeing a woman who according to her has BPD? She has told me of how many men she&#039;s slept with, and to me, she sleeps with someone now. When I told her her lifestyle seemed self destructive she refused to even talk about it and said I was wrong. Just like when she would call her mother out on things, her mom would do the same exact thing! When we first met, I had never experienced such quick and total passion and thought I had found the woman of my dreams as I grew to love her (I still do love her very much, but I can’t if I have to put up with this crap) She is a very sweet loving person but within 2 months she would get angry with me in what felt like very disproportionate to the situation outbursts that would go on for 2 or sometimes 3 hours even into the next day…I’m to blame for that due to my own anger reacting of how nerve-wracking she can be. I should&#039;ve walked away but I feel the need to defend/explain myself which seems to make things worse.  She tells me that she wants no contact with me but yet still wants me in her daughter’s life because I’m “a positive male role model”….HUH???? My question is, given all that has happened, how can she still refuse to even consider the possibility that she may have a problem that needs addressing. When her behavior is pointed out to her (mirroring in BPD terms), she reacts angrily and tells me to go away but yet she hasn’t told me to get my stuff or get my belongings out of storage….What do I do? Am I being used by her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on/off seeing a woman who according to her has BPD? She has told me of how many men she&#8217;s slept with, and to me, she sleeps with someone now. When I told her her lifestyle seemed self destructive she refused to even talk about it and said I was wrong. Just like when she would call her mother out on things, her mom would do the same exact thing! When we first met, I had never experienced such quick and total passion and thought I had found the woman of my dreams as I grew to love her (I still do love her very much, but I can’t if I have to put up with this crap) She is a very sweet loving person but within 2 months she would get angry with me in what felt like very disproportionate to the situation outbursts that would go on for 2 or sometimes 3 hours even into the next day…I’m to blame for that due to my own anger reacting of how nerve-wracking she can be. I should&#8217;ve walked away but I feel the need to defend/explain myself which seems to make things worse.  She tells me that she wants no contact with me but yet still wants me in her daughter’s life because I’m “a positive male role model”….HUH???? My question is, given all that has happened, how can she still refuse to even consider the possibility that she may have a problem that needs addressing. When her behavior is pointed out to her (mirroring in BPD terms), she reacts angrily and tells me to go away but yet she hasn’t told me to get my stuff or get my belongings out of storage….What do I do? Am I being used by her?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Laura Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Laura Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeanette My heart goes out to you. The pattern you describe is suprisingly common. People with BPD (or other personality disorders) can be unusually charming at times. They can make their partners feel unsteady, crazy, or incapable (look up the term gaslighting).  I have two suggestions. First, get informed about the features of borderline personality so that you can fully understand what is going on. Then try individual therapy and deal with your own issues so that you can make a rational decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeanette My heart goes out to you. The pattern you describe is suprisingly common. People with BPD (or other personality disorders) can be unusually charming at times. They can make their partners feel unsteady, crazy, or incapable (look up the term gaslighting).  I have two suggestions. First, get informed about the features of borderline personality so that you can fully understand what is going on. Then try individual therapy and deal with your own issues so that you can make a rational decision.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanette baca</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeanette baca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sorry to put it this way but this is how it is I have been married to a wonderful nightmare of a handsome charming Drama king to whom I am addicted I have no other vices.I dont know whether to stay or go have tried to leave even by traveling to other states and he will get my family involved to where I look like the bad guy . I get extremely lonely without him and am not interested in any of the &quot;nice guys&quot; that ask me out .I question my sanity when these things are occuring and feel stuck really stuck because I long for and am addicted to the good man he can be and has been at times he says he will get help for borderline and tells everyone Im bipolar though I have never had any such daignoses. My diagnoses have been are P.T.S.D and anxiety and depression which all occured after during this marriage. Our child loves his dad and I am always the bad guy in this relationship i dont know what to do anymore I feel very confused and frustrated like an idiot who keeps going back for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry to put it this way but this is how it is I have been married to a wonderful nightmare of a handsome charming Drama king to whom I am addicted I have no other vices.I dont know whether to stay or go have tried to leave even by traveling to other states and he will get my family involved to where I look like the bad guy . I get extremely lonely without him and am not interested in any of the &#8220;nice guys&#8221; that ask me out .I question my sanity when these things are occuring and feel stuck really stuck because I long for and am addicted to the good man he can be and has been at times he says he will get help for borderline and tells everyone Im bipolar though I have never had any such daignoses. My diagnoses have been are P.T.S.D and anxiety and depression which all occured after during this marriage. Our child loves his dad and I am always the bad guy in this relationship i dont know what to do anymore I feel very confused and frustrated like an idiot who keeps going back for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles H. Elliott, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles H. Elliott, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Art: Most local communities have half way houses and information about domestic violence that can give you good information and generally will do so for no money. Check around. Your college student mental health center may be able to help too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Art: Most local communities have half way houses and information about domestic violence that can give you good information and generally will do so for no money. Check around. Your college student mental health center may be able to help too.</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
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		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 23 And I&#039;ve been with my girl for 3 years and she&#039;s definetly bpd. I need some serios help leaving her is a scary option because she goes crazy. I&#039;m scared that she will get mad and I will hit her then she calls the police and I go to jail I am a broke college student. If I left her she would treaten legal problems and I have no money please help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 23 And I&#8217;ve been with my girl for 3 years and she&#8217;s definetly bpd. I need some serios help leaving her is a scary option because she goes crazy. I&#8217;m scared that she will get mad and I will hit her then she calls the police and I go to jail I am a broke college student. If I left her she would treaten legal problems and I have no money please help.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Charles Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Diane: Indeed, it&#039;s been a long time! And many changes since then. But good ones. Glad to hear from you...
@Steve: I wish I could give you real &quot;insight&quot; from a distance, but it just doesn&#039;t work well on the Internet. However, refusal to acknowledge and take responsibility for one&#039;s behavior is not as rare as we&#039;d all like to think! Thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diane: Indeed, it&#8217;s been a long time! And many changes since then. But good ones. Glad to hear from you&#8230;<br />
@Steve: I wish I could give you real &#8220;insight&#8221; from a distance, but it just doesn&#8217;t work well on the Internet. However, refusal to acknowledge and take responsibility for one&#8217;s behavior is not as rare as we&#8217;d all like to think! Thanks for your comments.</p>
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